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Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Internet Explorer User Agent Spam

Update: No more! IEBlog : Introducing IE9’s User Agent String

  • Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB6; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0)
  • Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; Embedded Web Browser from: http://bsalsa.com/; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0)
  • Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; IEMB3; Windows-Media-Player/10.00.00.3990; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; eMusic DLM/3; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; WWTClient2; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0; IEMB3; AskTB5.3)
  • Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; MSN Optimized;US; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; Zune 3.0; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MSN Optimized;US; AskTB5.4)
  • Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; Comcast Install 1.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0; Media Center PC 3.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0)

Why are the .NET CLR details cluttering up the user agent string? I can't figure out how the information is relevant in the web environment.

We've got user agent strings pushing past FOUR HUNDRED CHARACTERS in length.

If Microsoft is trying to communicate browser capabilities, there's a header for that: HTTP Accept.

The same goes for Zune, MSN Optimized, Media Center PC, InfoPath, OfficeLiveConnector, OfficeLivePatch, and MSN Optimized, and probably dozens of others.

Microsoft is filling up our logs, and congesting the tubes with what can only be considered SPAM.

My web logs are not the place for Microsoft advertising!

Also: It's past time to get rid of the "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;" nonsense.

I propose a protest: include the three longest MSIE user agent strings from your server logs at the top of all comments and communications to Microsoft.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

LOL, you are so right about this... my god, how many resources are blown because of the useless cruft. Maybe there are edge use cases for this, but I can't think of any from the top of my head.

Cheers,

André

Anonymous said...

Oh noes! The sky's falling; each Microsoft user agent string costs you at least (by my reckoning) 0.000002235p.

Let me know when you get to the million-impressions-a-day mark and I might just, out of the goodness of my heart, toss you the 20 pence it's costing you.

Brian said...

And what about network congestion? How much does that cost everyone? And the overhead in processing the extra tokens by parsing code, over and over and over? And indexing database fields?

You're right, since the cost for storage space specifically is low, I should expect to increase the storage and processing allocations for useragents by about 200 bytes a year, forever.

I hope you've never complained about spam emails, or you'd seem a bit hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

"network congestion"? Be realistic...

Video's some 30% of internet traffic at the moment and that number's predicted to increase to something like 90% in the next five years. In the context of a request to get a several hundred megabyte file, your 200 bytes is really starting to look remarkably irrelevant. Arrange deckchairs on the Titanic much?

Similarly with the rest of your wah-mbulance trip: to even read this page I get served 210K of mixed stuff; this includes a 10K JPG of your good self and 24K of highly compressible Javascript (as well as 70-odd K of highly-compressed JavaScript). Since the content on the page (post plus comments) is just on 3.5K, that's 60x overhead.

Get over it. Are you in any way related to the people who complain that there's copies of notepad.exe in both \WINDOWS and \WINDOWS\system32 and cite this as an example of unjustifiable bloat?

Brian said...

You clearly feel very passionately about people who, I guess, should just suck it up and continue re-engineering their databases to allow for extra advertising space. I don't recall saying this is the end of the world, but it's pretty damned annoying.

The fact that you are so irrationally against anyone criticizing Microsoft for this, and are commenting anonymously certainly makes me question your motives.

Treveur said...

How about useragents used to block certain spambots or unwanted crawlers? To determine the needle in the haystack of IE's ridiculous useragents is a real pain. Here is a list of MS useragents, and it's REALLY ridiculous (not just a bit).

www.zytrax [remove this] .com/tech/web/msie-history.html


Cheers

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Hmm, well here's mine

User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

I've gone and got five of them there ".NETs" - why all the different versions?
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